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Ckohrs0221 In the future, can you not discourage posting in classes? The teachers put in a lot of time, and we want people to post in classes. :) 2:18

Lissyboo I wasn't? I was just saying she didn't have to 2:18

Ckohrs0221 Lissyboo Pretty much. Most people don't bother with classes 2:18

Lissyboo S Nevermind this is annoying 2:18

Ckohrs0221 We want to encourage people to post in classes, Liss not tell them not to bother with it wouldn't you want people to post in your class if you were teaching? Liss? I'm trying to have an honest conversation with you 2:25

Lissyboo My parents came home Sorry 2:25

Ckohrs0221 oh ok 2:26

Lissyboo And here's my honesty; You need to calm the eff down. Is it just me you constantly watch and nit pick and call out on bullshit? Because it's annoying new Me* It's one of the biggest reasons I left. 2:28

Ckohrs0221 Nope, not just you. There are others that I watch carefully. I'm sorry you feel that way, Lissy. But it does sort of hurt my feelings when you talk about classes in such a "whatever" way. Lyss, Bond and I have worked really hard to get people to want to post in classes, and find teachers that will commit to teaching. 2:28

Lissyboo I bet they're just as annoyed tbh 2:28

Ckohrs0221 It's part of Hogwarts. 2:30

Lissyboo Okay well big deal. People don't usually deal with classes. I answered her question and that was the end of it and if it's honestly thia big a deal to you then it's still annoying 2:31

Ckohrs0221 Lissy, that attitude is something we're trying to get rid of. We /want/ people to post in classes. And it hurts me to know that you would discourage people from it. Why could you not instead answer "People don't really, but it's encouraged/fun/something else positive"? 2:33

Lissyboo I have heard nothing about it being encouraged! So here I thought we still weren't bothering with it as much and you're telling me I'm doing something wrong! 2:34

Ckohrs0221 User blog:Alyssa5582/Prospective Teachers At the very end of her blog she puts out a plea for people to post in classes 2:34

Lissyboo Oh hey Never saw that 2:34

Ckohrs0221 I don't know where you get the idea that we would've stopped encouraging people to post in classes 2:34

Lissyboo A plus 2:35

Ckohrs0221 The day we stop encouraging posting in classes is the day that Hogwarts will shut down, if you ask me. 2:36

Lissyboo I never encouraged her not to post You're pushing this out of proportion anyways It's not a big a deal And you're still being annoying about it 2:37

Ckohrs0221 Lissy, it is a big deal. We struggle with classes. Encouraging new users not to post in classes hurts the wiki. 2:37

Lissyboo And once again 2:37

Ckohrs0221 That's why it's a big deal to me. I personally teach two classes this term, just to keep things going 2:37

Lissyboo I NEVER ENCOURAGED HER NOT TO POST 2:37

Ckohrs0221 Then what would you say that comment was? An encouragement to post in classes? if most people "don't bother" what about that is encouraging her to participate in classes? by saying that you might not have directly told her not to post, but that was your message 2:38

Lissyboo it wasn't an encouragement at all! It was me saying not to worry about it! 2:38

Ckohrs0221 it's you saying it's not important. Which is the opposite of true 2:38

Lissyboo Here's the thing, you don't know her. I do So 2:39

Ckohrs0221 So you should be helping her get used to the wiki and how things work even if you aren't an admin anymore, you still know how this place works 2:39

Lissyboo Get over it, you're making a big deal out of nothing, like you always do Okay do you want me to leave again M Because this exact reason 2:39

Ckohrs0221 Of course not. 2:39

Lissyboo You making a big deal out of nothing 2:39

Ckohrs0221 You're a great RPer, and we all miss you 2:39

Lissyboo And being ANNOYING. 2:40

Ckohrs0221 I'm sorry you see it that way. 2:40

Lissyboo is the exact reason I left 2:40

Ckohrs0221 It hurts my feelings that you would say things like that about classes. But apparently, that doesn't mean anything to you. 2:40

Lissyboo It's not a big deal 2:41

Ckohrs0221 It is to me. And to Lyss and to Bond... and Jisk... and to all the teachers 2:41

Lissyboo It's really not You're just assuming it is 2:41

Ckohrs0221 To you. But to the rest of the wiki, who is trying to hold classes together, it is. I am asking you to respect that 2:42

Lissyboo I'm asking you to understand That me calling you annoying Has NOTHING To do with this You're annoying over everything You're uptight I honestly think it was a bad idea to make you a crat 2:43

Ckohrs0221 I'm sorry you feel that way 2:43

Lissyboo I'm not the only one 2:44

Ckohrs0221 I don't know how you expect me to respond to that. No one else has said anything like that to me. I do my best to do a good job, and keep the rules.. and encourage participation, and help new users... and all of that. 2:45

Lissyboo And you're uptight That's literally the only thing wrong with you If you'd just let go a little and not call us out on really stupid shit I'd especially like you more 2:47

Ckohrs0221 please watch your language, Liss. And that's not the Bcrat in me speaking-- I just don't like language, personally. 2:47

Lissyboo Okay, sorry, I'll keep that in mind 2:47

Ckohrs0221 I don't know what you qualify as "stupid s***" but... I guess I don't know what to tell you. 2:49

Lissyboo Cassie It's the little things At least to us they are The language I understand, that's a personal preference But things like Idk, let caps pass once in a while, unless there's more than three sentences. 2:52

Ckohrs0221 (shrug) you can ask people-- I've gotten better about that. But if it's more than one or two words, I'll say something. 2:54

Lissyboo And I'm going to be honest- around chat I barely speak when you're on because you have been starting to irritate me. And I'm sorry I called you annoying but the first thing about me is I an EXTREMELY honest Am* 2:54

Ckohrs0221 I've seen that Honesty isn't a bad trait 2:55

Lissyboo It can be. 2:55

Ckohrs0221 maybe when it's coupled with no compassion but overall, honesty isn't a bad thing

Lissyboo So when I'm blunt- does that count as no compassion? 2:58

Ckohrs0221 Not quite. When you can't see the other person's viewpoint, or you think that your opinion is the only opinion worth considering.

Lissyboo I'm just honest so I can help the person 3:02

Ckohrs0221 So you think that telling me, a teacher with two classes, a Bcrat who has tried really hard to encourage posting in classes, that "classes don't matter" is... helping me? Is helping the wiki? Without even looking at it from my point of view? 3:03

Lissyboo I never said classes don't matter? Are you serious? 3:03

Ckohrs0221 Not in those words, Liss. But your words carry weight. 3:03

Lissyboo What I meant by we don't usually bother with them is we can do them if we so want. See you're assuming again. The way mum and I communicate is far different than how we communicate Mainly because she can terrify me 3:04

Ckohrs0221 what connotations do you have with the words "we don't bother"? 3:04

Lissyboo Oh my bejeeses

Ckohrs0221 It's an honest question because perhaps our connotations are different 3:05

Lissyboo How about main chat She's probably arguing with her mother. My point is I just meant that she wasn't required to do them So can you stop now 3:10

Ckohrs0221 That's fine, Lissy. And, since you haven't seem to recognize my point at all, mine was that from my end, it looked like you were telling her that not only was it not required, but not to bother because no one else does. Which isn't true.

Lissyboo And even though I'd said we speak differently to each other than we would to you still thought I'd ever discourage posting. If it bothered you so much why didn't you bring it up in main when it happened 3:12

Ckohrs0221 I did but I didn't get a response 3:12

Lissyboo By maybe saying "they're encouraged though" 3:12

Ckohrs0221 but I also wanted to talk about it with you 3:12

Lissyboo Yeah, I didn't see it,.so I apologize for that But you didn't have to 3:12

Ckohrs0221 It's okay, I hadn't noticed that you had left when I said it So you wouldn't have seen it when I did post it 3:13

Lissyboo Okay. So are we done talking about that? 3:13

Ckohrs0221 But I wanted to, because you're still a user with lots of influence, Liss. I'm just trying to steer that influence a little, that's all 3:13
 * steer it in a way that helps with wiki*

Lissyboo I don't have any influence over orbit she has influence on me 3:14

Ckohrs0221 Maybe on your other wiki but here? I'd argue you have a lot of influence just from your experience here 3:14

Lissyboo I'm assuming everyone else that were on the chat knew they were encouraged. I was speaking to orbit 3:15

Ckohrs0221 Lissy, I can tell we're going to continue just saying the same things to each other, and this isn't going anywhere. I'll just say, in the future, I hope you recognize your words have weight.

Lissyboo I'll keep that in mind then 3:16

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